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Flamenco Red Manual 3.2S Question

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Flamenco Red Manual 3.2S Question

Postby luisabel9090 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:21 pm

Hi everyone,

Hope you all are still enjoying an XJ40 and the new year will bring us enough health to keep getting the most from our Jaguars while spending time with the family.

I can not believe my last post here was more than a year ago. Apart from becoming my everyday car, and my wife finally accepting her, few things have changed about my XJ40. The family estate diésel X-Type is starting to feel tired, though stills looks new, and is now having longer "time off" at the parking place I rented for the XJ40.

My XJ40 is due for maintenance this year, assuming a service once every two years is enough bearing in mind the average 10000 kilometres I drive the car during this time. This Jaguar has only seen dealer maintenance, and I intend this circumstance not to change while I own the car. The problem is that, and this is a single side opinión, the Brand, Jaguar, is different, and customer service at my usual dealer is no longer the same. Earlier this year, during an MOT check, I was told there was an hydraulic leak. Took the car to the specialist where I also wanted the dampers, and the horn, to be checked.

The "high" tone horn was changed, and the dampers as well. Yet I did not like the horn sound, so I bought on eBay an X300 horn set. When I was changing the horn I realized the dealer put two "low tone" horns, hence the annoying noise when I needed it. Then, finding the car behaviour "softer" than before, and slightly higher at the front than at the rear, I wonder if the new dampers they used at the dealer were the correct ones.

The part number for those they used were: MMD2140AB for the front dampers, and MNC3540AA for the rear ones.

Question: Can anyone confirm if those are the correct dampers for my 3.2 Sport? With new dampers, what could be the reason why the car height is different front and rear?

Thanks in advance for your opinions and inputs about this issue.
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Re: Flamenco Red Manual 3.2S Question

Postby old del boy » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:17 am

Well provided your cars vin no is 696460 or later then yes , they are correct , i couldn't comment on ride height but is it significantly different ? , maybe that's the way it should be when new :?

No doubt one of our other members with a similar model can advise ,

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Re: Flamenco Red Manual 3.2S Question

Postby xj40 paul » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:36 pm

I don't think the dampers have anything to do with the ride height , that would be down to the coil springs , maybe they have to settle down a bit after the car had been jacked up for a couple of hours , time will tell .
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Re: Flamenco Red Manual 3.2S Question

Postby luisabel9090 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:38 am

Thank you for your opinions.

My car is actually VIN689920, so before the one for which my dampers are supposed to be. At least I understand the dampers my car has now are still for an sport model.

About the height, is lower at the rear by one and a half centimetres. It is easier to notice this while driving the car than when looking at it at the parking place. The dampers were changed now almost one year ago, so I will have the springs being checked on the next service, together with an hydraulic line that needs to be changed.

The car is now 24 years old, and the fact that is used almost every day means she deserves some care. But truth be told, has been as reliable as I read a 1994 model year would be.

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Re: Flamenco Red Manual 3.2S Question

Postby old del boy » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:14 am

Was it lower after fitting the new dampers ? , i hope they didn't leave out one of the isolators , i wouldn't think so , there's probably a simpler explanation ,

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Re: Flamenco Red Manual 3.2S Question

Postby luisabel9090 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:21 pm

I would say the car had the same height both at the rear and the front. At least I did not notice any difference. The dampers were changed at the dealer advice, and this job had nothing to do with any difference in height.

Next visit to the specialist I will have this checked. I have to find a place where this car is already a common sight. The dealer I used to go no longer gives me any confidence after several "events", specially with the X-Type.

Thanks for the opinión!
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Re: Flamenco Red Manual 3.2S Question

Postby david » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:26 pm

luisabel9090 wrote:Hi everyone,

Hope you all are still enjoying an XJ40 and the new year will bring us enough health to keep getting the most from our Jaguars while spending time with the family.

I can not believe my last post here was more than a year ago. Apart from becoming my everyday car, and my wife finally accepting her, few things have changed about my XJ40. The family estate diésel X-Type is starting to feel tired, though stills looks new, and is now having longer "time off" at the parking place I rented for the XJ40.

My XJ40 is due for maintenance this year, assuming a service once every two years is enough bearing in mind the average 10000 kilometres I drive the car during this time. This Jaguar has only seen dealer maintenance, and I intend this circumstance not to change while I own the car. The problem is that, and this is a single side opinión, the Brand, Jaguar, is different, and customer service at my usual dealer is no longer the same. Earlier this year, during an MOT check, I was told there was an hydraulic leak. Took the car to the specialist where I also wanted the dampers, and the horn, to be checked.

The "high" tone horn was changed, and the dampers as well. Yet I did not like the horn sound, so I bought on eBay an X300 horn set. When I was changing the horn I realized the dealer put two "low tone" horns, hence the annoying noise when I needed it. Then, finding the car behaviour "softer" than before, and slightly higher at the front than at the rear, I wonder if the new dampers they used at the dealer were the correct ones.

The part number for those they used were: MMD2140AB for the front dampers, and MNC3540AA for the rear ones.

Question: Can anyone confirm if those are the correct dampers for my 3.2 Sport? With new dampers, what could be the reason why the car height is different front and rear?

Thanks in advance for your opinions and inputs about this issue.



I don't think you have the correct dampers for a 3.2S.

MMD2140AB is the standard front damper fitted to the 'comfort' suspension used on the standard XJ6, Sovereign and Daimler.

Jaguar Classic parts lists a 'Sports pack' damper also - which is green rather than black. The part number for this is MMD2140BB. It looks like this:

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Hopefully someone who has owned/worked on a 3.2S can confirm whether or not they should have the Sports pack dampers - but I suspect they do, since the suspension is lowered.

The rear damper they have fitted is an X308 part. MNC3540AA is almost certainly a valid supersession part, though it is worth contacting Jaguar Classic parts to confirm - but is also for the comfort suspension. The X308 part number for the Sports suspension is MNC3540CA.

I strongly suspect the dealer has fitted the standard 'comfort' dampers to your car.

Can anyone here confirm the 3.2S should have the green Sports pack dampers?
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Re: Flamenco Red Manual 3.2S Question

Postby luisabel9090 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:01 am

Thanks for your reply.

It seems the dealer has put whatever dampers they had available for my car, in the same way they did with the horn.

I will contact Jaguar Classic parts to confirm.

Will keep this Forum updated.

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Re: Flamenco Red Manual 3.2S Question

Postby luisabel9090 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:39 pm

Hello there.

The dampers on my car, I checked before I left, are actually black, and I believe those they removed were not.

I browse the web, and I found on the SNG Barrat that the dampers the dealer put in my car are different. Those at the rear are in fact an X308 part number, and I wonder if the reason why the car is higher now at the rear. Those at the front are just standard for the XJ40. Basically, they did not put the dampers my car had from Factory.

So after spending over 1200 eur in new dampers, the final condition is worse than when I left the car. The fact that it has taken me a year to notice this is, I believe, blind confidence I had in the dealer, which obviously, no longer works the same.

While I think what to do, any ideas or suggestions?
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Re: Flamenco Red Manual 3.2S Question

Postby abercanadian » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:55 pm

Maybe I'm off on this but I can't see how X308 rear dampers were installed on a car without cast wishbones - isn't the lower bushing and bolt a different size for a car with pressed wishbones (presumably this car has pressed wishbones?)

unless of course they sleeved/bored out something???

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