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Also bitten by the XJ-S bug...

pimgmx
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Re: Also bitten by the XJ-S bug...

Postby pimgmx » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:23 pm

leo_denmark wrote:... I hope it’s not equipped with...

It 'only' has the air pump, thankfully no EGR.
The former will - obviously! - go, and in an ideal world result in the alternator taking the air pump's place.
And the ultra-restrictive downpipes have already been replaced by optimised Simply Performance bits, that's one thing less to worry about. ;)

leo_denmark wrote:...you haven’t detailed the engine bay yet...

And I won't: the body shop will take care of that! :mrgreen:

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the eyecatcher: 93 Insignia http://bit.ly/1iGrmsU
the GT: 89 XJS http://bit.ly/1WQGpC5
the diva: 88 Biturbo SI https://bit.ly/3dzdvAL
the ex: 93 3.2 http://bit.ly/14GTNrq

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Re: Also bitten by the XJ-S bug...

Postby pimgmx » Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:12 pm

Another week has passed, more progress to report...

We encountered the first drawback in Project Paint Job, gladly nothing too worrying: the new OEM Jaguar front windscreen seal is too large for the glass... :oops:
A new item is on its way, hopefully the right size this time.

All glass for the rear half of the car is back where it belongs, as is the interior, which looks great!
Not in the least thanks to the leather treatment they performed while they were at it... :o :o :o

There's enough to do before the new seal arrives: door re-assembly, boot lid fitment, light units, bumpers, grille, ....
The bonnet (with new gas struts, of course) will go on last: they do not want to run the risk of damaging it when fitting the windscreen.

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the daily: 01 S8 http://bit.ly/2kIwP4m
the eyecatcher: 93 Insignia http://bit.ly/1iGrmsU
the GT: 89 XJS http://bit.ly/1WQGpC5
the diva: 88 Biturbo SI https://bit.ly/3dzdvAL
the ex: 93 3.2 http://bit.ly/14GTNrq

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Re: Also bitten by the XJ-S bug...

Postby Brake buster » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:23 pm

looks great, and this is always the fun ( and frustrating at times ) part

not teaching you to suck eggs ( as we say ) , just a pointer on fitting the front screen ,

the rubber goes into the frame of the car, the glass is dropped in on the bottom lip , and you use plastic wedge tools to gently pry the screen into the rubber , some gentle ( bashing ) helps it sit , once fitted into the seal, and before the locking bead is added there is quite a bit of movement of the screen to position it correctly, up to 10mm in any direction , and once in the locking bead is added with the aid of a bead tool and some lubricant

dont forget to add some screen sealant around the glass and rubber before adding the locking bead, this will squeeze out when adding the bead ensuring a water tight fit for years.

fitting the rubber to the screen first will never work , trust me , i have been there

hope this helps

and good luck

BB

ps, i have known aftermarket ( even so called OEM ) seals not to fit or perform once fitted, the XJS really does need genuine windscreen seals in my opinion ,
1994 3.2S in Morocco red and Doeskin/Ruby red interior
1989 V12 XJS White with Mulberry interior
2015 XF Sportbrake Luxury 2.2D Turbo in British Racing Green Metallic

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Re: Also bitten by the XJ-S bug...

Postby katar83 » Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:19 pm

pimgmx wrote:Another week has passed, more progress to report...

We encountered the first drawback in Project Paint Job, gladly nothing too worrying: the new OEM Jaguar front windscreen seal is too large for the glass... :oops:
A new item is on its way, hopefully the right size this time.



Run as quickly as you can and find someone else knowledgeable to fit the screen now! The seal IS the right size if it looks too large! ;) It can be squeezed/compressed and if fitted right it will be fine. I've seen it done and basically needed an old guy to do it as it was russian science to the newly trained chap who would swear that its not right size. This is one of the reasons why so many XJS have leaking windscreens, lots of muggles will even cut part of the seal off and it then always leak! ;)
1996, 3.2 SWB X300 - Relatively rust free daily driver!
1997, 4.0 LWB X300 - Unlucky car, sold 10.2020!.
1988, 3.6S XJS - Never ending restoration project.
1994, 3.2S X300 - Accident damaged, 10.2015. Gone!
1994, 3.2S XJ40 - First Jaaaag, long gone.

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Re: Also bitten by the XJ-S bug...

Postby pimgmx » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:24 pm

katar83 wrote:...find someone else knowledgeable to fit the screen...


Brake buster wrote:...not teaching you to suck eggs ( as we say ) , just a pointer on fitting the front screen...


And this is why I love this forum so much!
Thanks, chaps, very valuable feedback! I always double-check part numbers before ordering, and was surprised that JCP had shipped me the wrong item.
Now I know better, thanks to you two... 8-)
The original, brand new Jaguar seal I supplied them with is undamaged, will find some spare time next week to pay another visit to the bodyshop and share the correct fitting procedure with them.

The bulk of their resto projects are German (Zuffenhausen) and Italian classics, they have done their fair share of Jags, but it's not their specialty.
I can hardly blame them for not knowing that Jaguar engineers, in their infinite wisdom, decided to construct things differently once again... ;)

And well, if this is the worst that happens during a bare metal respray of a car bought sight unseen, I have no reason whatsoever to complain! :mrgreen:

the daily: 01 S8 http://bit.ly/2kIwP4m
the eyecatcher: 93 Insignia http://bit.ly/1iGrmsU
the GT: 89 XJS http://bit.ly/1WQGpC5
the diva: 88 Biturbo SI https://bit.ly/3dzdvAL
the ex: 93 3.2 http://bit.ly/14GTNrq

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Re: Also bitten by the XJ-S bug...

Postby Brake buster » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:28 pm

pimgmx wrote:
The bulk of their resto projects are German (Zuffenhausen) and Italian classics, they have done their fair share of Jags, but it's not their specialty.
I can hardly blame them for not knowing that Jaguar engineers




exactly , its about supplying the workshop engineers with enough information to allow them to get it right especially when they are not fully familiar with the ' Jaguar way ' of doing things, whilst not offending them but getting them to do what you want to do first time,

and with this type of progress you will be driving her in no time,

do you have an estimated date ? ready for spring 2020 perhaps ??

best of luck

BB

ps, if you are in need of any tricky or small trim parts etc, post it up here, i have a garage full of XJS spares, both new and used ( in like new condition ) from my own restoration work on my XJS that took 8 years to complete


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Re: Also bitten by the XJ-S bug...

Postby pimgmx » Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:58 pm

The locking bead arrived earlier today, will try to visit the workshop later this week and enlighten them with windscreen fitting info.
Annoying but true: my Jaguar Repair Operation Manual does NOT mention a word about windscreens at all, let alone a documented/illustrated refit procedure. :evil:

The Kirby Palm book does not offer much help either. And despite the fact that it contains a TON of knowledge, I find the hearsay and incomplete stories randomly copied/pasted from forums and emails more annoying than helpful.

Brake buster wrote:do you have an estimated date ?

I have not set a hard target date for this project: too many dependencies and a multi-year house renovation makes it hard to plan or predict.
And 'ready' will be a relative concept anyway! ;)
Plan is to get it tested and road-approved as the next step after it returns from the bodyshop, i.e. late this/early next year.

Then hoard/restore/upgrade a handful of parts that are not up to my standards yet (i.e. sandblast & powder coat rear ARB and ancillaries, reinforce radius arm bolt lugs) and if budget allows, have the suspension/diff/brake/AC upgrades done next year.

Preventative engine & electronics parts replacement/upgrades will be taken care of by me when the car's not in the workshop and when there's no higher-priority jobs on the house to do. Before all items on my restomod list have been ticked we could be well into 2021. :roll:

Brake buster wrote:if you are in need of any tricky or small trim parts etc, post it up here

Thanks, Vince!
Some small interior jobs are next on the 'will do that myself' list, will reach out in case I need something...

the daily: 01 S8 http://bit.ly/2kIwP4m
the eyecatcher: 93 Insignia http://bit.ly/1iGrmsU
the GT: 89 XJS http://bit.ly/1WQGpC5
the diva: 88 Biturbo SI https://bit.ly/3dzdvAL
the ex: 93 3.2 http://bit.ly/14GTNrq

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Re: Also bitten by the XJ-S bug...

Postby katar83 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:46 pm

WINDSCREEN - FRONT
RENEW 76.81.01
Open the door. Drill out and remove the LH windscreen
to A post pop rivets. Displace and
remove the trim from the LH A post.
Repeat for the windscreen
Remove the wiper arms and air inlet grille.
Disconnect the washer pipe and multi plug connector.
Remove the assembly from the vehicle.
Undo and remove the lower trim finisher securing
screws. Displace and remove the trim from the screen
rubber (4 Fig
Remove the interior mirror.
Fit masking tape to the aperture.
Displace and remove the lace insert from the
windscreen rubber.
Using a suitable implement, break the seal around the
screen.
Gently, but firmly pushing from inside the car, remove
the screen (Fig 2).
Displace and remove the seal. Place the screen and
seal aside.
Place masking to the fascia top surface. Clean and
inspect the aperture.
Using a skeleton gun, apply sealant to the screen
aperture (Fig 3).
Fit the screen seal to the aperture (starting at the top
centre of the screen), pull into the corners, fully seat.
Apply soap solution to the seal to assist screen
fitment.
Fit the screen to the rubber - bottom edge first - use
glazing tool 18G 468 to seat the glass to the rubber.
Apply sealant to the screen rubber.
Using tool 18G 468, fit the lace to the rubber.
Clean the screen and surrounding area.
Remove the masking from the fascia and aperture.
Clean the rubber. Apply soap solution to the rubber.
Fit the lower trim to the rubber - fully seat - align the
holes.
Fit and tighten the securing screws.
Fig 1
Fig 2
Fig 3
BODY
Refit the wiper assembly, reconnect the
multi plug and washer pipe.
Fit and tighten the air inlet grille retaining nuts.
Refit the wiper arms -3 Fig 1
Apply soft soap to the screen rubber.
Fit the LH into position - lip under the
screen rubber.
Position the trim to the LH A post - align the fixing
holes. Secure with new pop rivets.
Repeat the procedure for the trim finisher.
Close the door.
1996, 3.2 SWB X300 - Relatively rust free daily driver!
1997, 4.0 LWB X300 - Unlucky car, sold 10.2020!.
1988, 3.6S XJS - Never ending restoration project.
1994, 3.2S X300 - Accident damaged, 10.2015. Gone!
1994, 3.2S XJ40 - First Jaaaag, long gone.

pimgmx
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Re: Also bitten by the XJ-S bug...

Postby pimgmx » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:32 pm

katar83 wrote:WINDSCREEN - FRONT

Cheers!

the daily: 01 S8 http://bit.ly/2kIwP4m
the eyecatcher: 93 Insignia http://bit.ly/1iGrmsU
the GT: 89 XJS http://bit.ly/1WQGpC5
the diva: 88 Biturbo SI https://bit.ly/3dzdvAL
the ex: 93 3.2 http://bit.ly/14GTNrq

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Re: Also bitten by the XJ-S bug...

Postby pimgmx » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:22 am

Just returned from the workshop, after dropping off the seal, locking bead, fitting instructions and a pair of fresh bonnet struts as a little bonus. ;)
I had a look at the old struts: they were SO worn that they had defaulted to 'compressed' position...

the daily: 01 S8 http://bit.ly/2kIwP4m
the eyecatcher: 93 Insignia http://bit.ly/1iGrmsU
the GT: 89 XJS http://bit.ly/1WQGpC5
the diva: 88 Biturbo SI https://bit.ly/3dzdvAL
the ex: 93 3.2 http://bit.ly/14GTNrq


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