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XJ40 4.0 re-birth.

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Re: XJ40 4.0 re-birth.

Postby naki_k » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:04 pm

One thing that occurred to me. By the time the leather is fitted, it will close of areas by an extra few millimetres, would that not cause clearance/ fitment issues for the veneer pieces, vents and glove box lid? Clearly I have seen leather on the Insignia dash, but I couldn’t work out how they did it with nothing catching and everything still fitting in place? My thought was perhaps the factory used dashes that didn’t already have the vinyl covers on?
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Re: XJ40 4.0 re-birth.

Postby Jaguarxj40 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:13 pm

naki_k wrote:One thing that occurred to me. By the time the leather is fitted, it will close of areas by an extra few millimetres, would that not cause clearance/ fitment issues for the veneer pieces, vents and glove box lid? Clearly I have seen leather on the Insignia dash, but I couldn’t work out how they did it with nothing catching and everything still fitting in place? My thought was perhaps the factory used dashes that didn’t already have the vinyl covers on?


Hi Naki,
That's a good question, I'm not sure and I may be wrong but I don't think the factory would go to the expense of a different dash carrier for leather covered ones ( how many 40s would have had a leather covered dash :?: ). The leather hides come to us at an average thickness of about 1.3mm thickness and where some furnishings like the seat coverings will be made in this thickness, hard covered parts are split (thinned down to anywhere from 0.6mm upwards depending on the part covered) on a splitting machine but I think that I can get away with leaving it at the 1.3mm thickness as you loose a little definition and I want the dash to have a touchy feely look to it :D .

The thickness of the leather won't be an issue as the gapping on the dash is a lot to be desired and it will close most of these up nicely. :D

When I covered the door panel tops I used the standard thickness leather and even though the veneered parts were a little tight to fit it does look better as there is no gapping.

The leathering of my dash has come to a halt at the moment as I need some spare parts for my 60 year old singer leather sewing machine and my wife won't do any sewing for me on her domestic machine. :cry: .

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Re: XJ40 4.0 re-birth.

Postby Jaguarxj40 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:16 pm

Little teaser update.

Initially I was going to try and re-cover the dash without any stitch lines for a smooth look but that was not going to be possible and the biggest problem was going to be around the left and right air vents. With stitching in these areas I was concerned with "grinning" due to having to pull tight the leather around some of the complex curves involved so I thought I would go with something completely different by creating a groove and tucking the leather in for a one off one of a kind unique covering.

Firstly I marked out where I wanted this and dremeled a groove into the dash, still needs a little fettling but I will address these and any other bits I'm not completely happy with until I have fully covered the dash which should be by the end of the week.

Marked out area,
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Line dremeled out to accept the leather.
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Trimmed aperture
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Initial starting point of covering
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More to follow tomorrow, and a full write up will follow in due course.

Gary.
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Re: XJ40 4.0 re-birth.

Postby Aidan » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:52 pm

Jaguarxj40 wrote:Little teaser update.

Initially I was going to try and re-cover the dash without any stitch lines for a smooth look but that was not going to be possible and the biggest problem was going to be around the left and right air vents. With stitching in these areas I was concerned with "grinning" due to having to pull tight the leather around some of the complex curves involved so I thought I would go with something completely different by creating a groove and tucking the leather in for a one off one of a kind unique covering.

Firstly I marked out where I wanted this and dremeled a groove into the dash, still needs a little fettling but I will address these and any other bits I'm not completely happy with until I have fully covered the dash which should be by the end of the week.

Marked out area,
Image

Line dremeled out to accept the leather.
Image

Trimmed aperture
Image


Initial starting point of covering
Image


More to follow tomorrow, and a full write up will follow in due course.

Gary.

Looks really interesting, Gary. An inventive solution to the problem.
Looking forward to the rest of the story.
Aidan

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Re: XJ40 4.0 re-birth.

Postby Jaguarxj40 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:48 pm

Thanks For your comments Aiden,

As promised, the finished product, still needs a few minor issues to be finessed but I will attend to these after I have fitted the dash to the car.

I will write up a full report and what tools and techniques I used to get this little project completed.

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Re: XJ40 4.0 re-birth.

Postby nlcrane » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:27 pm

Wow, what an excellent piece of work, really good job, well done
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Re: XJ40 4.0 re-birth.

Postby Jaguarxj40 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:35 pm

Thank you nlcrane,

I'm very pleased with the way it turned out, I'm not a trimmer by trade at all but can put my hands to most things.
I have watched plenty of trimming on the shop floor and picked up many tips from the time served guys and have recovered some easier parts of trim but this was certainly the most complex.

Gary.
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1985 BMW 525e
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1976 Land Rover 101 forward control
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Re: XJ40 4.0 re-birth.

Postby pimgmx » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:17 pm

Jaguarxj40 wrote:... this little project ...

Sounds like an understatement to me... ;)

Great job, and impressive result!
Looking forward to your write-up, all of us Insignia owners face a top dash reglue sooner or later... :roll:

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Re: XJ40 4.0 re-birth.

Postby Jaguarxj40 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:33 pm

pimgmx wrote:
Jaguarxj40 wrote:... this little project ...

Sounds like an understatement to me... ;)

Great job, and impressive result!
Looking forward to your write-up, all of us Insignia owners face a top dash reglue sooner or later... :roll:


Hi pimgmx,
Thank you, even though I have owned my Jag 17 years I have not really got into the jag thing like i was with my BMW but now that has gone I have really got this jag under my skin and since joining this forum I am finding out a lot about these classic jags.

Now I have only recently found out that some editions of these cars had leather dashboards and when I was covering mine one concern was would there be any shrinkage due to heat and sunlight through the screen. After reading your reply I googled insignia dashboards and have found some epic shrinkage on some cars, however as long as the leather has not dried out it may be possible to restore and stick this back but it will need the dash to be removed though.

Hopefully my guide may give some encouragement for owners to have a go at rectifying the issue.

Gary.
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1986 BMW M535i
1985 BMW 525e
1972 Vauxhall victor FE 2300
1966 Ford cortina estate
1961 Renault dauphine Gordini
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1976 Land Rover 101 forward control
1968 series 2 light weight Land Rover
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1973 Range Rover
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Re: XJ40 4.0 re-birth.

Postby Jaguarxj40 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:40 pm

Now the dash has been covered there is still two parts that need my attention, and as the old dash needs to come out it was a good time to remove the instrument cluster and glove box door.

This evening I removed them both with the hope I can get them covered this week in between decorating duties :lol:

The glovebox lid is going to be easy, not so sure about the instrument cluster cover though, let's see how it goes.

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1996 BMW Z3
1990 Jaguar XJ40 4.0

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1986 BMW M535i
1985 BMW 525e
1972 Vauxhall victor FE 2300
1966 Ford cortina estate
1961 Renault dauphine Gordini
1978 Range Rover
1976 Land Rover 101 forward control
1968 series 2 light weight Land Rover
1975 Range Rover
1973 Range Rover
1972 series 3 Land Rover SWB


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